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Published Friday, June 27, 2008 11:15 AM by andyleonard

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Justin Etheredge said:

Completely agreed. While I agree with a few points in the petition, I did not sign it because it achieves nothing productive. Microsoft will not look at this petition and say "Oh my, some people in the community don't like this product. Let us just shelve it." No, they are going to listen to the community and make a v2 release that will hopefully fulfill more customer's needs. This would have happened without the petition, that is the way Microsoft works. People had been lodging complaints about the Entity Framework for a while, and it takes a while to turn a ship that large.

And as far as the petition's claim that it is going to make people write bad software...well, people have been writing bad software since software existed and if they think that the Entity Framework is suddenly going to make tons of developers start producing bad apps then they are mistaken. Good developers will spot flaws in tools and work around them, or not use the tool.

I for one do see big problems from a DDD perspective with using the Entity Framework. The issue here is that some people cannot see anyone else's perspective.

As for the people who did sign the petition, well, I don't think many of them quite understood how big this would get. I imagine that many of them are DDD/agile developers who are frustrated that Microsoft was not producing a framework that met their needs, and so when they saw the petition they just jumped. I know that I almost did.

June 27, 2008 11:36 AM

andyleonard said:

Stephen Forte is part of the advisory council established by the EF Team at Microsoft. He has excellent comments on this topic at his blog:,guid,1f988309-0969-4115-8e09-77c746a32f57.aspx.

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June 28, 2008 7:20 PM

Denis Gobo said:

June 30, 2008 3:36 PM

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